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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 26, 2010 6:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: top 5 shows from 1970?

here are mine, in chronological order:

1970-02-13
1970-03-21
1970-05-02
1970-06-24
1970-09-19

hey, it may not be a deep post, but i know some of you will get a kick out of it!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 27, 2010 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

Very tough to narrow to only five:

2/11/70
2/13/70
5/15/70
6/24/70
9/20/70

These are just as good:

1/3/70
4/15/70
5/1/70
6/6/70
9/19/70
11/8/70

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jan 26, 2010 9:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

I got sidetracked on my way to 1970-02-14 by 1970-01-03. After listening to TOO three times in a row, I now have a better understanding of SDH's predilection for furniture smashing. Now I must figure out what to tell the partners in the morning when they see the furniture in my office.

I'll admit here and now: you JUST DON'T GET that energy after '72. This is rock n roll and it can hold it's own with any of the other "heavy acts" from that time. WOW---maybe you old farts aren't as soft in the head as I once thought.


Buenos nachos,
TOOTMO

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 27, 2010 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

"I'll admit here and now: you JUST DON'T GET that energy after '72."

Hmmm...where have I heard this before?

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jan 27, 2010 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

"Hmmm...where have I heard this before?"

Aawww, sh*t. I knew this was going to happen.

TOOTMO

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 27, 2010 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

he said AFTER '72

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 27, 2010 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

Can I help it if TOOTs doesn't know that "2" = "1" + "1"? "1", as in, "71"...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 27, 2010 3:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

Don't get sidetracked by 1-3-70 too long on your way to the NFA>Mason's>Caution from 2-14-70. I think I prefer that night to 2-13-70.
And if you're looking for really loud, heavy Dead, head straight to the 5-2-70 Other One (and of course, the rest of the show)....

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 27, 2010 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

The Cryptical/Other One suite on 1/3/70 is well worth the detour!

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 27, 2010 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

Over time 1970 has grown to be my favorite year. While it does not offer the thermonuclear psychedelic heat of 1968 or the relentless consistancy of 1972, I think 1970 offers the broadest scope of music the Dead ever presented to their audience - if there even is such a thing as "the" classic GD sound (debatable), 1970 is surely it. You still a have a touch of that late 60s' acid boogie madness, while the acoustic influences and concise songcraft of "Workingman's" and "Beauty" increasingly come into play throughout the year.

However, as we all know 1970 has a lot of holes. LiA has previously done an excellent post about this: http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=259738 Sorting through all the various fragments- some of them only containing a handful of songs, others downright unlistenable - can take real patience, which is why I feel 1970 doesn’t always fair as well as some other years in these endless “best year ever” polls/discussions (not that it matters, I’m just sayin’).


1. 11/8/70- I really do love the Lee audience recordings from 1970, but I firmly believe that if this show circulated as a board it would make most folks' Top 5 not just for 1970 but for all time, mentioned in the same quivering breath as 2/13/70, 8/27/72, 11/11/73, 5/8/77 and all the others that people get so worked up about.

2. 2/13/70- I think everyone knows about this one- a stone cold classic, the crown jewel show from one of, if not the, most famous runs ever.

3. 5/2/70 - Although I don't have it ranked in the number one slot, if I were to try to explain to a non-Head why 1970 is my favorite year, I would probably reach for this show...

4. 9/19/70- One of my 2 or 3 favorite "Dark Star"s ever. Not as long as the leviathan versions of '72-'74 but I think that works in its favor (I find those mid 70s versions, while interesting at times, can also get a bit tedious, something that can definitely NOT be said of this lean beast). It’s too bad that only the last portion of the show circulates in good quality, but when they music’s this good it’s enough to get it on the list.

5. 3/21/70 (Late show)- I started to put the magnificent 6/24 show here but decided that, as an entire show, the energy level of 3/21 is ever so slightly higher. Another great Capitol Theater aud from this year.

Honorable mention: 11/6, 10/4, 9/20, 8/18, 6/24 (best “Attics’ ever), 2/8 and probably 2-3 others that escape me right now. There are also several others, such as 11/29 12/28, 5/1 and 4/15 that although they may not rank among the year’s best are still a hell of a lot of fun to crank up any ol’ time you choose.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 27, 2010 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

If it weren't for '67/68, '70 would be my favorite Dead year.
So all the missing shows are quite galling - it also happens to be the year in which more great shows are only on AUD tapes than any other.
Here's an old post about those tapes -
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/short-guide-to-1970-audience-tapes.html

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 27, 2010 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

Well said, SB; I know the two of us just keep patting each other on the backs about 1970, but I have to echo and re-echo your comments...if it weren't a tiny bit of work, I'd go back and provide the links for the newbies in which we go back and forth over it, but you have said it very well above.

Though I love 68, and have spent a great deal of time discussing the variation in that year from the birth and refinement of TIFTOO thru its infancy to young adulthood, and the amazing sound so aptly described recently by CLIFF of an Italian Western with January Spanish jams and the like, leading to the late spring gap that nonetheless holds the key to the evolution of the Aug "pre Live Dead" double suite developments, 1970 really does have as much of "it" as one could imagine if forced to pick a single year.

As LiA and others have noted, sure--it may not have the high energy and youthful experimentation of 68 with respect to the prolonged jams, but that is more than compensated for in volume and refinement of many of those tunes in 70, and the addition of the acoustic material just really takes this year over the top...

Of course, I couldn't agree with you more about DS from 9-19!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 27, 2010 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

All top notch choices. And I agree--1970 is not a transitional year--it is a dominant year. It's got it all: Songs, aousitc sets, fine jams, electricity, dynamism, surprises, dares, double dares, and the two finest studio l.p.s.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 26, 2010 7:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

Ha--some of mine are in there too! Mine keeps getting tweaked a bit, but here are the ones for the past few months, via the ipod listing as to ones I have concentrated on:

01/02/70
05/02/70
06/07/70
09/19/70
10/04/70
11/08/70

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 26, 2010 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

I cant narrow it down to only five...

01/02/70 (99)
01/23/70 (99)
02/11/70 (100)
02/13/70 (100)
03/21/70 (98-99)
05/02/70 (100)
06/24/70 (100)
09/19/70 (99+)
09/20/70 (100)
11/08/70 (100)

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 26, 2010 7:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

nice choices cliff! i've never listened to 1/23 or 9/20, i'll have to check them out.

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 26, 2010 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

LOL... 1/23. Don't forget 7/16 and 10/11

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jan 26, 2010 10:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

What's your take on this one... http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-01-31.sbd.cotsman.fixed.24028.sbeok.shnf ....one of my favs!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 27, 2010 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

I cant say I'm impressed with the electric portion of that infamous show, Rich, kwipment problems and of course the band seems sullen and pissed off after the "hassles" they encountered in the Crescent City.

And in spite of the fact that the acoustic set is not among the best played of the year, the set list is certainly very unique and it makes for a quite enjoyable listen. Good, perhaps even under rated, but it's not among the best of 1970. 96 pts for the acoustic set and the historic value of the performance.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 27, 2010 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

I agree that 1/31/70 is perhaps overrated by some people due to the unique acoustic set. (I suspect several shows have boosted ratings simply for the acoustic sets, in spite of having average electric sets.)

But the next night, 2/1/70, isn't mentioned enough - their last night in New Orleans, it starts out with the announcer saying, "Here's the group that made this afternoon possible-" then Phil breaks in: "The New Orleans Police Department!"
They're in a much better mood than 1/31, and the Other One>Lovelight with Peter Green on guitar is EXTREMELY hot!
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-02-01.sbd.kaplan.9629.sbeok.shnf

And the next night, 2/2 at the Fox, would possibly be one of the greats if we had the full show.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 26, 2010 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Top 5 Most Underrated 1970 Shows

Some shows that never make anyone's top 5 list due to sound quality:

4-24-70
7-11-70
7-12-70
9-17-70
11-6-70

Honorable Mention:
2-8-70
5-7-70
8-18-70
11-5-70
11-29-70

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 26, 2010 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 5 Most Underrated 1970 Shows


7-12-70 - best Pig acoustic set ever?

11-6-70 - a Main Ten Jam that will send chills down your spine and three incredible drum breaks

Honorable Mention:

2-8-70 - perhaps the finest Smokestack of all time!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 27, 2010 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 5 Most Underrated 1970 Shows

I've never met a (Pigpen) Smokestack that I didn't like. Rarely played, it was always fresh with new explorations running behinf Pig's moaning about biting somebody's baby sister. The uptempo versions of 1966-7 morph nicely into the crisp 1970 duo and on into the ones from El Monte and Portcheser '71. The final two--Felt Forum '71 (I've been gone too long) and the Academy of Music bear testemony to a weary Pig and his battle with his demons. Moan away.

1970 is such a fine year--transitioning between the psychedellic jamming of 1969 and the song oriented sets of 1971--that it's really hard to narrow it down that far. But I think all of the above choices are winners.

Certainly 2-13 and 14 (late shows) deserve respect, as do 5-2, and 9-19-9-20--perennial vote getters. But you cannot overlook the great Capital shows just because they are audiences. I'm not as fond of 5-15 (a dand b). I think that folks tend to merge them into one massive show, a marathon of acoustic and electric Dead with the early N.R.P.S. Separated, each show is very nice, but not top ten.

Of course, I am biased, having been to all but one of the above shows --but time and tape have borne my opinion out. If they could just clean up 9-18--20 and release them . . . .

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 27, 2010 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 5 Most Underrated 1970 Shows

I'm listening to 11-6 for the first time right now. The post-Alligator jam is electrifying.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 27, 2010 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 5 Most Underrated 1970 Shows

It's been said about 11/8 - but I'll say of 11/6/70, if there were a SBD, it would blow almost every other show out of the water.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 27, 2010 7:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 5 Most Underrated 1970 Shows

The Candyman is really great; is that a wah-wah he uses during the solo? I didn't know he had one that early!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 27, 2010 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 5 Most Underrated 1970 Shows

As they did the audiences.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 26, 2010 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Top 5 Most Underrated 1970 Shows - ahem

true, the soundquality of 5/7 probably pushes it down on my list for '70 GD, but it's a show worthy of consideration most definitely, and here're two chumps who agree


http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=222632
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=241283

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 27, 2010 6:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It really has ALL been said before...

Ha! You know, people give me a hard time for droning on about only a handful of shows, but really, it's what we all do here (repeat ourselves, collectively anyhow)...some just have more items to be repetitious with...

EG, that's first link above, that's the one that has my thread on the "sing-a-long" DWolf that no one could ID, even though Rob had babbled on about it a yr before, but it wasn't til it was mentioned again, some months after said thread you link above that Rob provided the link to his previous, prior thread that had come before, and it all instances, it made me look like a twit for not reading carefully, though I maintain he should have caught my query (thread above, again) and settled it earlier.

I also have to cut down on my sentence length...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 27, 2010 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It really has ALL been said before...


If you can't remember, is it really a repeat?

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Poster: gphishmon Date: Jan 26, 2010 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

2/13 and 5/2 are obvious choices. 6/24 is also very good. I don't know much about 3/21 and 9/19; might have to check them out. I think 2/14 is overrated; mainly it gets attention for the rare Mason's Children.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jan 26, 2010 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

have to disagree on the 2-14, it would probably make my top ten list. mason's children is the least exciting part for me; that show contains my all-time favorite not fade away.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 26, 2010 6:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

Been saying it for a while: 11/8/70 Port Chester. 1/31/70 The Warehouse in New Orleans is a magical moment in Dead history.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 26, 2010 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 5 shows from 1970?

I think Alfred rightly deserves consideration...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-05-01.sbd.miller.95683.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 27, 2010 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: more monitors or more beer


Listening now - I just love these 1970 acoustic sets - and especially the Cold Jordan

This show is certainly a contender for top 5

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 27, 2010 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more monitors or more beer

The acoustic set at Alfred has to be considered as one of the very best ever, and the Gans sourced segments of the performance sound as good as anything archived here!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 27, 2010 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more monitors or more beer

Yep, I think the reason it doesn't get more attention is because that set was essentially incomplete for most of us until a year ago or so. I know i started listening to that show more often after that miller transfer came out.